Now knowing my track record on big larids I thought I'd give the team a chance to shoot me down, again! So I duly dispatched a few shots to Tim, Jono, Bob and Stuart, but this time added Mr Bradnum (pretty good with gulls). I eagerly awaited their confirmation. Tim, Jono and Stuart are well used to this kind of behaviour and take it in good humour, before delivering the negative response, however Mr Bradnum went about the task with a great deal of relish.
I would like to say there was a very Pro camp, but that would have just included me. Leaning towards YLG ever so slightly were Tim: "I would say head pattern (with mask), tertial pattern and all black bill combination favours jv/first winter yellow-legged"
Jono said: "I'm minded to agree, only concern I have is that it looks quite dainty"
DB said: "3 and 4 is more interesting, and I need to have another look this evening. You're not comparing apples with apples on Gavin's bird, since ylg should have moulted out of juv plumage into 1st winter (ie renewed mantle and scaps) by now... But even so, it might be one. Not convinced by the head shape and bill size, nor tertial pattern tho"
later adding "It's definitely in full juvenile plumage - they don't look like this for long. "
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So in conclusion juvenile/what ever-winter-summer-not-adults are slightly tricky. I should have got a photograph as it undoubtedly flew off soon after being snapped, but I took some of this instead, because I had a bench to lean the camera on...
... which if you click on it bears my hurried naming system, so ignore that it's just a Herring Gull. After that I had reached my download limit on big larids so gave up.
Thanks to everyone who contributed and feel free to add your thoughts. The bird wasn't around today, but there's always tomorrow.